As a total side tangent, but I really like the following flow: focus follows mouse but focus doesn't raise the window, clicking on the top bar, or Win+Click raises it (notice how neither of these 2 results in an interaction).
Unfortunately, of the popular DE's, this is only supported in Xfce (?), and it's not supported in Windows or macOS afaik.
I don't care about clicking into the terminal. I don't understand why people do this more and more.
You just need to use your keyboard shortcuts correctly and navigate the tmux/kitty session as it's intended to.
See that's all a matter of workflow? You don't understand it because it's just not for you
A clickable TUI is contrarian to why I use most CLI tools. Neat that they could build this, though, because it suits their needs.
I'm fine with K9s and lazygit key-driven interfaces.
I guess one thing that's good about a clickable TUI is that maybe it's easier to approach for some, wihtout releasing yet another memory hog Electron App?
The code generated by Claude is fully under my control, and I make sure it works exactly as I intend. I could have hidden this by committing it myself, but I choose to acknowledge that I had Claude's help
It’s not your fault. The problem is now that my mother in law can vibe code a complete operating system, I cannot distinguish quality from shit any more. And the last few OSS projects that I tried that had the Claude icon where shit and breaking in many ways.
It's kinda like eternal September but for software engineering. There was a time that just being on the internet, having an email address, etc. was a signal that indicated a level of technical proficiency. Now everyone has that connectivity, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
The Claude-generated README doesn't inspire confidence in that. I believe you checked all the code, but a lot of people are going to see that README and not give the project a second chance.
But now other people's code is just a starting point for me forking an app to do exactly what I want it to - it's inspiration because code is cheap.
Of course for larger projects we will still need solid components underlying them, but what you're really talking about is just maturity - it's very easy to produce a lot of output now but you can't replace actual history or having more then exactly 1 maintainer.
I hope vibecoding doesn't mean the concept of contributing upstream gets lost. At least some of this (mouse clicking) would have been a great upstream contribution instead of rewrite.
I wish we had a "cool" GUI toolkit. GUIs are way better at this stuff. Adding point and click is so close to being a GUI, the only possible reason this is a TUI is fashion.
How are GUIs "way better at this stuff"? I can't see it, but would like to understand how you feel that a GUI can improve on the management of automated processes at scale.
Idk if you are managing k8s stuff you are probably in a terminal already. Staying in a terminal is nice. Plus having persistent multiplexer sessions is a big deal in locked down corporate environments.
Most common things power users seem to want from TUIs on desktop:
- Easy efficient remote access. Pixel streaming and things like GTK Broadway are out. Needs a proper protocol/standard that would send styling-neutral primitives (and that is not X11 forwarding), and the entire toolkit architecture built around that. Something like SPICE/QXL but more semantics-aware? Not sure, might be too low level and chatty.
- Staying in the terminal. This is a matter of window management, though a toolkit can offer good defaults so this doesn't feel janky.
- Keyboard-first. Trivial. "GUI is for filthy mouse casuals" is a ludicrous idea.
- Low bloat. Web and things like GTK Broadway are out.
I haven't seen two similar opinions on actual architecture and stack, however being available in Rust will be a great start.
When Claude added it, I immediately hated it since you click into the terminal and accidentally click something.
I don't mind something that requires a modifier key like Shift+click to follow a URL
But so many times now I'll click to get focus and now that's selected some option or opened some pane.
If I wanted that, I'd use the Claude Desktop app!
Unfortunately, of the popular DE's, this is only supported in Xfce (?), and it's not supported in Windows or macOS afaik.
Or can we do it with a cli wrapper process?
I'm fine with K9s and lazygit key-driven interfaces.
I guess one thing that's good about a clickable TUI is that maybe it's easier to approach for some, wihtout releasing yet another memory hog Electron App?
Of course with all the running around with AI programming, it would be nice if we could task sometime to making remote desktop not suck on Linux.
Same concept, but github repos now.
But now other people's code is just a starting point for me forking an app to do exactly what I want it to - it's inspiration because code is cheap.
Of course for larger projects we will still need solid components underlying them, but what you're really talking about is just maturity - it's very easy to produce a lot of output now but you can't replace actual history or having more then exactly 1 maintainer.
Why is this a good thing? Have a help you your access via ? and document what the keys are. Don't dumb the interface down.
https://github.com/nklmilojevic/sofka
That's the actual k9s successor imho!
It seems we cannot move on from them and I think we should.
It is a shame because surely there must be something better than terminals and TUIs.
Imgui is also good for this
I appreciate the tui.
we need more experiments with X11 interfaces
- Easy efficient remote access. Pixel streaming and things like GTK Broadway are out. Needs a proper protocol/standard that would send styling-neutral primitives (and that is not X11 forwarding), and the entire toolkit architecture built around that. Something like SPICE/QXL but more semantics-aware? Not sure, might be too low level and chatty.
- Staying in the terminal. This is a matter of window management, though a toolkit can offer good defaults so this doesn't feel janky.
- Keyboard-first. Trivial. "GUI is for filthy mouse casuals" is a ludicrous idea.
- Low bloat. Web and things like GTK Broadway are out.
I haven't seen two similar opinions on actual architecture and stack, however being available in Rust will be a great start.