10 comments

  • jstummbillig 11 minutes ago
    Man, if only there existed some central societal body with the authority to essentially freeze accounts and unwind a transaction like this. What a security feature that would be.
    • paulpauper 10 minutes ago
      Yeah I know you are referring to the fiat-based financial system. Keep in mind, wire transfers generally cannot be reversed. There have been notable instances where money is lost/stolen this way, and no way to get it back.
  • ano-ther 55 minutes ago
  • _HMCB_ 21 minutes ago
    How can they be brought to justice, as stated, if they’re state sponsored? And how do members get their crypto back? There’s 6+ billion in insurance to back what was stolen?
    • httpz 16 minutes ago
      Binance has $155 in assets. Not sure how much of it is their own but they likely have more than $6B to cover the losses.

      https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/binance/

      • paulpauper 6 minutes ago
        how much of those are customer deposits though?
    • TrackerFF 13 minutes ago
      How can they be brought to justice? They can't. That's the long and the short of it.
      • brohee 1 minute ago
        Justice can be brought to them tho... At some point someone will delete the building they work in with a cruise missile or two...
        • WarmWash 0 minutes ago
          Unfortunately their best friend is pretty strong.
      • cosmicgadget 2 minutes ago
        Retaliation, sanctions against the country behind the curtain. Geopolitical justice.
      • paulpauper 12 minutes ago
        that is why they don't care about opsec that much. what are anyone gonnna do?
    • MengerSponge 15 minutes ago
      They bought their tickets. I say let 'em crash! Those apes are likely gone.
    • paulpauper 17 minutes ago
      3 billion was recovered.

      There is no way to bring them to justice unless the US were to somehow invade, or another country deals with it, or they leave Korea. All very unlikely. North Korea is the closet thing to an actual criminal state/hideout.

  • ratCola2001 3 minutes ago
    #beastmode
  • sandeepkd 1 hour ago
    At this point it feels like they have made it a /dev/null for things which are not easy to resolve and one is still on the hook to provide some answers
    • robby_w_g 38 minutes ago
      Add in Claude for some extra CYA:

      > Dear Claude, please investigate the culprit of the attack and make no mistakes.

  • ilamont 1 hour ago
    A question: how come the North Koreans aren't draining banks in the U.S. and other countries of cash using equally sophisticated exploits against known technical and human vulnerabilities?
    • gejose 1 hour ago
      Probably because fiat, unlike crypto, is not decentralized and fraudulent transactions can be reversed. A North Korean hacker zeroing out an account balance and incrementing another, can be reversed.
      • 10111001 1 hour ago
        Exactly. It turns out a lot of the things in the banking system that cryptocurrency people complain about are actually features, not bugs.

        IMHO, cryptocurrency is technically interesting but for pretty much every use-case, the preexisting technologies are superior and/or cryptocurrency is practically unworkable.

        • method_capital 1 hour ago
          Crypto was supposed to be a solution to your government devaluing the rewards of your residual labor in the form of their currency. It's a solution with a noble goal: giving the individual complete control of their financial resources. Current form, however, has devolved into casino gambling and criminal laundering.

          I'm hoping someone invents a new iteration that's better.

          • 10111001 7 minutes ago
            > Crypto was supposed to be a solution to your government devaluing the rewards of your residual labor in the form of their currency.

            > ...

            > I'm hoping someone invents a new iteration that's better.

            It "solved" inflation by being deflationary (and then you have the massive volatility layered on top of that).

            I think it's probably impossible to have a stable currency without some kind of dynamic governance, like a central bank.

          • gizajob 54 minutes ago
            A monetary system also shouldn’t disproportionately reward the first users of that currency just for them accidentally being first in the pyramid (scheme).
          • lxgr 20 minutes ago
            > giving the individual complete control of their financial resources

            This seems like a definitionally unachievable goal. How can you have finance without others that you ultimately need to trust, if only to be stable enough in their wants and needs to want to trade with you?

          • jsty 52 minutes ago
            > It's a solution with a noble goal: giving the individual complete control of their financial resources.

            Indeed, but also complete responsibility for safeguarding these. It's hard to imagine a good situation where an individual has complete control but not complete responsibility, that way lies moral hazard.

    • postalcoder 1 hour ago
      They have! There was a famous incident in 2016 where NK tried to wire a billion dollars out of the NY fed and managed to get away with $100 million.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Bank_robbery

    • nphardon 1 hour ago
      They do, here's one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Bank_robbery

      I think Darknet Diaries covers a bunch of these types of heists involving banks.

      I suspect they just assess vulnerabilities and exploit them when/where they can. My understanding is that these thefts are big part of their (NK) economy.

    • echoangle 56 minutes ago
      Other question: why don’t they just forge currency? Surely with nation states resources you can create fake currency that easily fools most inspections? Is it that hard to launder cash? Or is the a red line and they are afraid of political measures?

      There’s Superdollars but it doesn’t seem to be a really widespread problem so far, right?

      • tintor 53 minutes ago
        Serial numbers of all old dollar bills are recorded when those bills are destroyed and replaced with newly printed bills AND when bills are deposited to banks. Even if fake bill is perfectly made, it will still be detected with this method. Fake and duplicate serial numbers will be detected when compared against official ones.
        • echoangle 52 minutes ago
          Can’t you just immediately use them? The person getting caught will be some random person that took the bill, not the one bringing it into circulation.
          • httpz 13 minutes ago
            Trying to spend $1B with $100 bill at a time will take 10 million transactions. No one's going to accept large amount of cash without a credible source.
      • loeg 14 minutes ago
        Forging doesn't scale. No one wants counterfeit for anything close to $1 per dollar. You have to pass off bad bills one at a time.
      • retrac 27 minutes ago
        10 million dollars in $100 bills weighs 100 kg. Distributing and fencing that much counterfeit is probably hard.
      • paulpauper 14 minutes ago
        There are tons of youtube videos about this. much harder than it sounds to forge at scale. The feds are very good at coming down on forgery. Also, it would provoke strong action by the US, whereas stealing crypto apparently does not.
    • plaidfuji 55 minutes ago
      I was going to ask, why would NK attack a China-based crypto firm? Then I learned that Binance isn’t headquartered anywhere. They’re literally asking to be hacked. Nobody will protect them.
      • lxgr 18 minutes ago
        > Binance isn’t headquartered anywhere.

        Don’t fall for their propaganda. Everybody is ultimately headquartered somewhere.

    • hungryhobbit 1 hour ago
      They are trying!
      • ktm5j 1 hour ago
        They probably are. I used to write software for a financial institution and we saw a lot of traffic from Chinese and Russian IP's hitting our firewalls constantly (ssh login attempts with typical default passwords, random wordpress exploits, that sorta thing). It wasn't very sophisticated so I don't think it was state sponsored or anything, probably just random cyber criminals trying to hit US targets because their governments wouldn't care.
        • method_capital 1 hour ago
          Do they really need to bother? Plenty to steal in cryptoland, and it's much much easier.
          • ktm5j 45 minutes ago
            I mean, this was at least 15 years ago.. so it might be a different story. But when the game is throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, I imagine they're still going after whatever targets they can find.
    • logicchains 1 hour ago
      >"draining banks in the U.S. and other countries of cash"

      Cash sits in vaults. North Korea would need to physically send a team of bank robbers to extract it. The digital representation of USD is not cash, it's an entry in a ledger, and banks generally have systems that would not allow adding an entry with a sudden transfer of a large amount of money to "J. U. Kim, North Korea". That's why Bitcoin is called "digital cash".

    • paulpauper 15 minutes ago
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  • gsky 32 minutes ago
    It makes no semse. Since Binance is Chinese company North Korea would not dare to attack it
    • asdff 28 minutes ago
      Makes perfect sense. Laundered way to get westerner money into north korea with china looking at no fault.
  • asftq 1 hour ago
    I didn't know there were Effective Altruists in North Korea. Will they do AI data centers next to increase NK's popularity?
    • paulpauper 15 minutes ago
      Sam Bankman-fried jealous of their game
  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
  • nusoone 1 hour ago
    Glad binance is posting updates directly on X so we don’t have to read propaganda
    • ram1500natrluvr 1 hour ago
      What kind of updates are they posting on X and what is the propaganda?
    • mcmcmc 1 hour ago
      Since when is X anything other than propaganda and porn